Saturday, July 28, 2012

Politics of bootyshaking


I was just in this great conversation on Twitter with a slew of interesting dj/producer/event promoters. Even though some of them kept saying twitter is a bad place to talk about this - a lot of really smart stuff got said and I think people reading probably learned a lot. I don't think public debate is necessarily going to change the minds of the person you are debating (if you see it as a debate), but I DO think it can reach out to the much larger audience of people reading the debate/discussion, and it can affect them. I am really glad that people have these kinds of conversations publicly!

I am also glad that there are so many people I know across the country and the world who are working towards the utopia mentioned at the end. It makes for some kick-ass parties!

  1. bo_bliz
    RT @uncle_quincy: I know hipsters love watching black ppl act like idiots but based on these pics I've seen from last night I'm going to say this.....
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 06:09:30
  2. uncle_quincy
    I'm not gonna sit there while you laugh at that dumb ass shit.
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 05:22:38
  3. JustJubilee
    @uncle_quincy @bo_bliz what does that even mean?
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 06:10:52
  4. bo_bliz
    @JustJubilee @uncle_quincy just hating on NPR rap and the people that go to the shows to "twerk" and ogle black freaks
    bo bliz
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:05:33
  5. bo_bliz
    @uncle_quincy @justjubilee #letthemcook #letthemwobble #letthemgetmoneyforbananasplit not hating on artist at all
    bo bliz
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:15:40
  6. emynd
    @bo_bliz @JustJubilee @uncle_quincy there's always gonna be dumb white ppl, but on the whole, I think exposure to that world has been good
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:17:07
  7. JustJubilee
    @emynd @bo_bliz @uncle_quincy I do too and honestly if it weren't for "hipsters" a lot of people wouldn't be famous and getting money. CYCLE
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:17:54
  8. bo_bliz
    @emynd @justjubilee @uncle_quincy I have a dream that one day there will be no dumb white people
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:19:12
  9. JustJubilee
    @bo_bliz @emynd @uncle_quincy hate to break it to you guys but there's dumb EVERYTHING people hahaha
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:19:43
  10. emynd
    @bo_bliz @JustJubilee @uncle_quincy and all that ass shaking is SUPPOSED to be a spectacle.
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:20:16
  11. JustJubilee
    @emynd @bo_bliz @uncle_quincy i've spent half of my life looking at ass shaking (and loving it) am I part of the problem? #305 #NOLA #booty
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:21:28
  12. uncle_quincy
    @emynd @bo_bliz @JustJubilee HA......I know. Still just my perspective. Not to be on some Chapelle going to Africa shit.
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:21:47
  13. uncle_quincy
    @JustJubilee @emynd @bo_bliz Ass wiggling has it's benefits, This I know.
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:22:38
  14. bo_bliz
    @uncle_quincy @emynd @justjubilee impossible and pointless to analyze all fans perspective- but def an element there that's disturbing
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:24:09
  15. dj_bent
    @JustJubilee @emynd @bo_bliz @uncle_quincy its complicated no? History of whitefolks using/making $ off black music. Self-reflection is good
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:31:55
  16. dj_bent
    RT @emynd: @uncle_quincy @bo_bliz @JustJubilee my only point is don't let the suspect way idiots consume cool shit ruin the coolness of that shit
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:33:15
  17. dj_bent
    @emynd @uncle_quincy @bo_bliz @JustJubilee that's good but also important to talk about power dynamics in music, party scenes

    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:33:54
  18. dj_bent
    True But spectacle for commty vs ousiders? RT @emynd: @bo_bliz @JustJubilee @uncle_quincy all that ass shaking is SUPPOSED to be a spectacle

    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:35:10
  19. emynd
    @dj_bent @JustJubilee @bo_bliz @uncle_quincy yeah it's definitely complicated as fuck and always worth talking about
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:35:48
  20. emynd
    @dj_bent who decides who the authentic community is and who the oustsiders are? And how long before outsiders become part of that community?
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 07:53:09
  21. dj_bent
    rly good question. like you say, community shifts/changes RT @emynd who decides who the authentic community is and who the oustsiders are?
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 08:02:36
  22. dj_bent
    @justjubilee @emynd @bo_bliz @uncle_quincy maybe harder to talk about in these spaces, but still important to try. just my opinion
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 08:05:09
  23. JustJubilee
    @dj_bent @emynd @bo_bliz @uncle_quincy it is but 140 characters not enough and Facebook is the worst. Let's all plan a dinner one day ;)
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 08:07:08
  24. laripley
    @emynd @dj_bent it's not just inside/outside, tho - it's who has more power. who is getting paid & who faces death and violence
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 08:07:19
  25. dj_bent
    @emynd @laripley no but the situations that create/d bounce are about poverty, racism, violence, social indifference. music is resistance
    dj bent
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 08:20:20
  26. dj_bent
    @emynd @laripley whats more considering murder rate, health indices and mortality in nola, may of them actually ARE
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 08:22:18
  27. emynd
    @dj_bent @laripley by that logic, it's the same situation in the lovely city of Philly.
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 08:25:03
  28. emynd
    @dj_bent @laripley and what's the conclusion anyway? Only poor people in danger of getting murdered can twerk their asses authentically?
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 08:30:34
  29. laripley
    @emynd @dj_bent f*ck authenticity. it's about what you're doing to & with the people/scenes you draw on
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 08:42:16
  30. laripley
    @emynd @dj_bent "raw" music comes from people who face death, violence & poverty. Rawness is a response to that reality (1)
    laripley
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 08:48:07
  31. laripley
    @emynd @dj_bent so why not think on how to respect that? (2)
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 08:51:13
  32. emynd
    @laripley @dj_bent it's all about authenticity! You're asking outsiders to consider their effects on the scene but not those "in" the scene
    emynd
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 09:00:37
  33. emynd
    @laripley @dj_bent buried in what youre arguing is an acceptance that there is an authentic scene community and an outsider community right?
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 09:01:25
  34. emynd
    @laripley @dj_bent I'm mostly done w/this convo. Been having it for 15+ yrs. All I can do is respect the cultures I'm involved with & I do
    emynd
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 09:04:05
  35. emynd
    @laripley @dj_bent and I've been accepted by enough folks actually "in" the scenes I fucks with to feel like I'm doing alright. #theend
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 09:05:53
  36. laripley
    @emynd ur probably right! if it ain't about you dont make it about you. Plenty of ppl don't care or try to do that though
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 09:10:49
  37. laripley
    @emynd I said consider who gets paid, who suffers. Who gets paid/profits doesn't map only onto insider outsider it's more complex than that.
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 09:15:00

  38. Emynd
    @laripley no idea what you are arguing for except a utopia where everyone in the world considers the politics of their booty shaking
  39. laripley
    @emynd @dj_bent every time we have this convo in public, more people consider it than they did before, so thanks 4 bringing utopia closer!
    Sat, Jul 28 2012 09:23:59

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